Harleysville Lake States Insurance Company v. Palestine Com. School Dist., et al.

This is a procedural case.  A worker was hurt on a school construction site.  A lift rolled over and fell on him.  He sued the school district, the electrical contractor that the school district had contracted with for sound equipment and the design-build architect for the project.  The insurer for the electrical contractor brought a declaratory judgment action in federal court against the architect and the school district to determine whether exclusions to the policy applied to those defendants as additional insureds.

For carriers, there's an interesting point about federal law governing necessary parties to a declaratory action:

"Underlying tort claimants are not necessary parties to a declaratory judgment action regarding an insurer's duty to defend what the action is filed by the insured.  However, if the declaratory judgment action is filed instead by the insurer or involves a determination of insurance coverage or both, then the underlying claimant is considered a necessary party."

The plaintiff's in the underlying tort action had been brought in as defendants by the insurance company and asked that they be dismissed or that the action be stayed until their underlying claim was resolved.   The court held that it could dismiss the underlying tort plaintiffs from the action, and that a decision regarding the insurers duty to indemnify the school district and the architect would be stayed until judgment in the underlying proceeding.  The court determined that it could not stay the portion of its case regarding the insurers duty to defend the school district and the architect and allowed that claim to progress since the duty to defend was a ripe issue where the underlying tort action was progressing.  The opinion is available here.

Kirkpatrick v. Strosberg

Illinois is certainly no stranger to the Condo Craze, a quick Google search for blogs on the topic in Illinois should put to rest any notions to the contrary.   There are plenty of interesting and responsible resources on the topic... and the law regarding the issues involved in condominium matters continues to grow.

A case touching on those matters and construction and development as well as architecture is the feature today.  Kirkpatrick v. Strosberg, Doc. Nos. 2-06-0724 and 02-06-0731 consolidated (April 16, 2008, 2nd Dist.)

The plaintiffs were individuals who contracted to purchase luxury condominium units in Glen Ellyn.  The developer built the units and the plaintiff's moved in.

Some of the measurements of the completed luxury units did not turn out to comport exactly with the finished condos.  For example, depending upon the method in which one measures the square footage of the units, the units did not meet the advertised square footage, additionally, because alterations were necessary towards the end of the project, the ceilings on the top floor units measured eight feet, six inches and not nine feet as advertised in the original brochures.  One of the unit owners spent extra money having his bathroom reconfigured after the initial plans failed to put the pipes in the right places, and another owner measured his cabinetry installation in accordance with the nine foot specs and not the eight feet, six inch specifications.

The owners sued the developer for violations of the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act, common-law fraud, and breach of contract.

There was a bench-trial on the matter and the trial court made findings in favor of the plaintiffs for the breach of contract claims, the common-law fraud and the consumer fraud claims involving the ceiling heights, but not the square footage issues.  The court also found that due to the nature of the contracts and the evidence presented by the plaintiffs there was damage, but the plaintiffs' evidence was insufficient and thus awarded only nominal damages of $100 each.  For the plaintiff with the bathroom plans, the court found fault at 50% with the plaintiff's architect, who was the plaintiff's agent, and at 50% with the developer, and thus reduced the damage award of $31,730 by half.  The court found the cabinet plaintiff's claims were barred by language in a rider to the contract by which the seller eschewed liability for improvements made by the buyer:

  • "Seller shall not be required to review Buyer's architectural plans for the Buyer's improvements, and Seller shall not oversee Buyer's work on the premises. Seller makes no warranty whatsoever to Buyer that the premises and its components are complete or compatible with the Buyer's improvements. Buyers understand that all dimensions on the Seller's plans and specifications are approximate and subject to modification for actual field conditions. Field measurement is required to conform dimensions prior to ordering materials."

The trial court also awarded $83,000 to the plaintiffs in attorneys fees and $300,000 in punitive damages.

The appellate court upheld the trial court's determination that the square footage of the units, when measured properly, was not contradicted by any of the plaintiffs' evidence.  The court also upheld the $100 damage award finding that the plaintiffs' expert appraiser had taken cost approximations regarding damages from housing prices as they existed seven years after the actual date of sale for the units.

The court's statement of the black-letter law regarding the proper calculation of damages in a dispute over the breach of contract for the sale of real estate is familiar:

  • "Damages, in a breach of contract for the sale of real estate, are calculated by the difference between the fair market value of the real estate on the day of the breach and the sale price contracted for by the purchasers."

The appellate then upheld the nominal damages award, finding again that there was no credible evidence on the matter given the appraiser's failure to estimate from the time of the sale and not the market value at the time of the case.  The court struck the $300,000 in punitive damages, citing a 1st District opinion holding that nominal damages cannot provide a basis for awarding punitive damages.  The court also upheld the trial court's determination that the plaintiff and the defendants were 50% mutually responsible for the cost of the repair to the bathroom; affirmed the cabinetry decision; and awarded the attorneys fees.

Of additional note to appellate practitioners is the court's enforcement of Rule 341(e)(7) granting the defendants' motion to strike portions of the plaintiffs' reply brief, where the brief raised arguments in the reply that were not raised in their initial brief.

For designers: the court stood by the Architect's method of measuring the square footage of the condominiums as the distance from the outside wall to half of the demising wall rather than the plaintiffs' appraiser's "paint-to-paint" method of measuring from the inside wall to the inside wall.

The actual relief in this case would likely have been substantial had the appraiser computed comparable sales in accordance with the proper measure for damages.

Loman v. Freeman, and The Issue of Bailments


The Moorman Doctrine has been applied to those providing professional services since Anderson Electric, Inc., v. Ledbetter Erection Corp. 115 Ill. 2d 146 (1986).

The Doctrine has several exceptions but often forces parties to a contract for services to seek redress for damages they have incurred by suing on the terms of the contract rather than in tort.  The Moorman decision has long been a tool of attorneys representing construction clients for limiting the issues and available remedies of different parties to construction disputes.

In designing a building or performing work under contract on a structure, the doctrine often operates in limiting the manner in which a professional can be sued unless some error has resulted in damage to other property or personal injury or property damage resulting from a sudden and calamitous or dangerous occurrence.

In Loman v. Freeman, (Doc. No. 104289, April 17, 2008), the Illinois Supreme Court had occasion to visit the "sudden or dangerous" exception to the doctrine in the scintillating context of veterinary medicine... and, sadly, decided against addressing the merits of the topic in favor of a procedural rule that bars consideration of arguments not adequately defined or argued in the briefs.  In Loman, the plaintiffs' race-horse required surgery.  Plaintiffs claimed they only authorized the vet to perform two procedures, and that a third procedure performed by the vet, was unauthorized and did irreparable damage to the horse, rendering it unfit for racing.  Plaintiffs sued on two theories, one in negligence claiming that the vet performed unauthorized surgery on the animal, and secondly on a count of conversion, claiming that the unauthorized surgery amounted to an unauthorized assumption of the right to possession or ownership of the horse.  We are concerned only with the first claim in negligence.

The defendants claimed that the Moorman Doctrine applied and that the plaintiffs were barred from bringing suit in negligence.  The district court agreed and dismissed the plaintiffs' case, the appellate court reversed the matter stating that the unauthorized surgery amounted to a sudden and dangerous occurrence under the Moorman Doctrine's exception; the defendants appealed to the Illinois Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court noted that the application of the "sudden and dangerous" exception to the conduct of the professional and not to the failure of a product contracted for was an awkward one, also pointing out that the application of the exception to veterinary surgery under this sort of theory could lead to the absurd result that veterinary surgery would fall under the exception, but veterinary practices resulting in, for example, misdiagnosis, would not.  The Court then went on to state that it would not consider the issue since it was not adequately briefed.

In his dissent, Justice Freeman pointed out something we often see in economic loss cases --confusion -- with half the opinion of the majority referred to the count as one in negligence, and half the opinion referred to a "contractual" relationship between the parties.  In providing assistance Justice Freeman pointed to the possibility that the court could reclassify the action as a contractual issue of bailment and proceeded to discuss the law of bailments and their contractual nature along with the bailment theory's ability to provide negligence-theory based relief in the contractual setting.  The issue is particularly interesting in that Justice Freeman argued that under a bailment scenario, a professional contracting to perform services is held to "exercise the proper degree of care and diligence about the work" (Slip Op. at 22) and notes that "generally, the bailee will be liable for losses that are proximately the result of the bailee's own negligence."

"Under the bailment, the bailee has a duty to exercise the skill or knowledge pertaining to the "nature of the business... Bailees will be liable for losses that result from their negligence or, more precisely, for their failure to exercise the skill or knowledge pertaining to the nature of their business."  (Slip Op. 23-24).

Justice Freeman went on to state that addressing the claim at issue under the bailments theory would arguably resolve every issue in the case.

Unfortunately, the Court decided not to address the "sudden and calamitous" issue.  Additionally, failing to fully flesh out the dicta concerning applying the exception to the acts of a person and not to something happening with the product will doubtlessly need to be addressed at some point.

Legal Fees In a Construction Dispute?... You're Not Alone.

John Parnass over at Washington Construction Law, an excellent Washington State Construction Law resource, is reporting on this article from the Law Blog of the Wall Street Journal.  The Donald is suing his attorneys over the fees they billed in representing him in a construction matter.

Great quotes from Trump regarding the underlying dispute and legal case over the breach of the earth-moving contract in the construction of a Golf Course:

"I have a Ph.D. in legal fees. I know when fees are fair and when they are not."

"Ninety percent of the conversations I had ... were about legal fees, not the case,"

"We won the case because I'm a great witness."

Whether or not they've got their own TV Show, clients should work with attorneys to establish a beneficial fee structure and ensure that they're getting value for their money.

Liability and Assumption of Risk

There's an interesting article in April's Architectural Record by Alec Applebaum concerning owner's rep work and the possibility of expanding the role of the designer to create new forms of business for an architect's firm.

Anybody undertaking a design-build arrangement will need to be familiar with rules about general contractors, safety and understand the significant liability risks associated with such a role.  In addition, undertaking owner's rep work could implicate a host of fiduciary responsibilities not considered.  Serious consideration regarding the qualifications and ability that is required to take on any expanded role is important.

We've had plenty of previous discussions about the types of liability a general contractor can face.  We have also been following a piece of legislation in the Illinois House of Representatives that would likely change the face of §414 liability cases.  In following these types of cases under Illinois law in the construction industry we have seen courts rule both ways when considering whether or not a GC undertook to control the work of its subcontractors.  

Now we have another...  In Calderon v. Residential Homes of America, et al. No. 1-07-1470 (2008) we've been given another piece of information concerning what amounts to control under the §414.  In Calderon, the plaintiff was roofing and injured himself while carrying shingles up a ladder to a roofing job.  The defendant was the GC and had a contract that instructed its subs to review a manual regarding safety that was kept in the GC's office and had a site superintendent who went around the job daily to ensure work progress.  The testimony during depositions revealed that the GC's superintendent was not aware that the shingles were transported by ladder rather than by crane or conveyor, and that the superintendent was not instructing the subs regarding how to perform their work, but was reviewing the site for progress.  The court upheld the trial court's grant of summary judgment and found that the facts (which can be read here in the opinion) did not amount to "control" sufficient to establish liability under the §414 exceptions.

There are plenty of minutia to consider when assuming a new role.  Jumping into any unfamiliar type of business arrangement means assuming new risks that you should be prepared for.

The Home Repair and Remodeling Act Does Not Apply to Subcontractors

In MD Electrical Contractors, Inc., v. Fred Abrams (Il. Sup. Ct. 2008; Doc. No. 104000)  the plaintiff had sued under the theory of quantum meruit, stating that it had no contract with the defendant for electrical work performed on the defendant's home.  The defendant claimed that the Home Repair and Remodeling Act prohibited a suit by the plaintiff.  The circuit court had reasoned that quantum meruit was a legal theory that implied a contract where none existed.  Since the Home Repair and Remodeling Act was against the contract, and the subcontactor fell under it, the court could not imply a contract where the act would forbid such a contract.  The Appellate Court had disagreed and remanded the decision.  And now, the Supreme Court's decision has squarely stated that the act does not apply to subcontractors.

  • The Home Repair and Remodeling Act applies only to those who contract directly with the Home Owner.

The court refused to address the intriguing issue of whether or not a sub-contractor could have any recourse in quantum meruit, or outside the Mechanic's Lien Statute.

In a strong-toned dissent, Justice Freeman points out that the complaint was insufficient on its face to offer the factual issues that the court relied upon in determining this matter.  The complaint asserts that MD Electrical was a sub-contractor, but there is no evidence of that fact anywhere in the record.  The dissent goes on to argue that the court did not have to reach the issue of the Home Repair and Remodeling Act's application to sub-contractors and should not have done so.

Statutes of Repose and a Duty to Maintain

We've previously discussed the Illinois construction statute of repose (735 ILCS 5/13-214).  The benefits it conferred to design professionals and others by the statute's ten-year limitation cannot be underestimated. 

In Ryan v. Commonwealth Edison Company (Doc. No. 1-06-3309, 1st Dist. Ill. App.) the Illinois first district appellate court has broken with itself and sided with the third district in asserting a "status/activity" distinction for claims that will be barred under the statute of repose.

The court was confronted with the issue of whether Com Ed's duty to maintain a transformer that exploded and injured the plaintiff was separate and apart from its installation work and therefore, not subject to the statute of repose.  The court found that Com Ed's status as an installer and any claims that arose from the installation might fall under the statute of repose, but made a determination that since Com Ed had a duty to maintain the equipment (derived from its capacity as the power supplier and not its status as the installer) the statute would not apply.

  • Now that we have a definite split, we could see the Illinois Supreme Court address the "status/activity" distinction.  More importantly, because the court made the determination regarding Com Ed's duty in this case, we should be alert for more judicial determinations of ongoing duty.  Will the decision only apply to utility companies supplying services which necessitate a duty to maintain equipment?  Even apart from any undertaking to maintain structures/equipment after installation?  Even when the duty has been contracted or left in the hands of some other entity like a municipality?

Denying a Municipality's Immunity and Interpreting the Statute of Repose

In Trtanj v. The City of Granit City (Ill. App. Ct., 5th District, No. 5-07-0002), the plaintiffs owned a house that was filled with sewage after a thunderstorm.  During the thunderstorm, three sewage lift stations that normally operated to transport sewage through the city's system were left without power.  The city took two to three hours in getting the sewage systems back online.  As a result of the rainfall and issues with a clay pipe connecting the plaintiffs' property to the city's system, water and sewage backed up into the plaintiff's home.  Prior to the motion for summary judgment brought by the city, the city's superintendent of water testified that it should only take 15 minutes to set up a temporary lift system and 15 minutes to get it operational.

The plaintiffs brought an action in 2002 and later amended their complaint in 2005 alleging negligence in the design, construction, operation and maintenance of the sewer system, that the backup was a temporary nuisance, and also brought an action in trespass against the city.  The city responded in a motion for summary judgment that the claims were barred under the statue of repose (735 ILCS 5/13-214), that the tort immunity act applied (745 ILCS 10/2-201) to protect the city from suit, and that it was not liable because the backup occurred during an extraordinary rainstorm.

The trial court granted the motion for summary judgment and the plaintiffs appealed.

The appellate court found that material issues of fact existed where the city had known about the outside water infiltration into the sewer system through the plaintiff's clay pipe; and where the city's own superintendent of streets had testified that it should only take 15 minutes to set up the temporary pumps, not the two to three hours that it did take.

In adjudicating the repose claim, the court said that the statute of repose applied only to the construction and improvements of real property.  Because the plaintiff had alleged that the design installation and construction of the sewer station was at fault, the court found that these allegations were barred by the statute of repose when the design, construction and installation had occurred more than ten years prior to the filing of the lawsuit. 

The court went on to find that the statute did not protect the city from the claims that the maintenance and operation of the sewer system and the lift stations that occurred after their installation and within the ten year period were negligent.

The court cited a previous case, Prochnow v. Elpaso Golf Clib, Inc., 253 Ill. App. 3d 387, finding that while those claims that involved the design, construction, supervision, observation or management of the construction were exempt if the acts were outside of the ten year period, the persons responsible for possession or control and suppliers of the materials used in the maintenance and operation were subject to liability for reason of construction defects.

The court then went on to address the city's claim of immunity.  Holding that the statute protects only those acts of a municipality that are shown to be both an exercise of discretion and a policy determination, the court stated that acts which are ministerial are not protected.  After a discussion of the differences between policy determinations, acts of discretion, and ministerial acts, the court found that because the city's operation of the sewage system was subject to statutory and regulatory guidelines the actions were ministerial, and that there were material issues of fact concerning whether or not the city complied with those guidelines.  "Once a municipality decides to perform pubic work, the municipality must perform the public work with reasonable care and in a nonnegligent manner" (Slip Op. at 13).

The court also found that the determination of what might amount to an extraordinary sum of rainfall was not before the court and presented a question of fact for the jury.

The appellate court reversed the trial court's grant of summary judgment to the extent it was inconsistent with the appellate opinion.

Of note to design professionals and construction companies is the application of the ten year statute of repose.  Getting done with the work and getting out will start the clock running on the ten year period.  However, if follow up maintainance work is performed, that work is still potentially the subject of litigation. More importantly for many claimants is the willingness of the court to interpret the immunity statute and discern between policy, discretion, and ministerial acts.  It should not be overlooked that too often courts are willing to apply the immunity statute without adherence to the guidelines or undertaking the analysis to determine the exact nature of the act, perhaps inspections, construction, and maintenance can all be pled correctly to make certain the municipality has to explain its actions rather than simply pleading immunity.

Make Sure There's Relief to Be Had

Here's a reminder from the Northern District of Illinois Bankruptcy Court.  In Vancil v. Tres Amigos (docket #06-71254) the owner of a property, Tres Amigos, was looking to extinguish liens filed by two subcontractors of Vancil.  Tres Amigos brought the action to extinguish the liens where the two subs had not properly served Tres Amigos with their 90 day notices under the Illinois Mechanic's Lien Act.

A problem arose when the Court noted the Tres Amigos had never made one of the subs a party to the action and that it failed to assert a claim against the other sub, which was a co-defendant.  The Court pointed out the Tres Amigos would likely have prevailed on its claim, had it not failed to properly plead actions for which relief could be granted against the subcontractors.

  • The lesson learned here:  Make sure all your ducks are in a row before time, effort and money are spent asking the Court for relief that cannot be granted.

The Importance of A Proper Deed

    In an eminent domain case, Marseilles Hydro Power, LLC v. Marseilles Land and Water Co., arising under the Federal Power Act, and involving the interesting issue of deed construction and proper drafting, the Seventh Circuit has laid out some interesting points regarding deed construction premised on prior recordings and conveyances, along with an affirmation of the eminent domain standards applicable to the Federal Power Act.

The 1st District Publishes Two New Construction Negligence Opinions

In two interesting cases involving construction negligence on the jobsite, the first district has reversed and upheld directed verdicts for third-party defendants who were subcontractors and the employers of the plaintiffs. 

  • In Oldenstedt v. Marshall Erdman and Assoc. Inc., the first district upheld a directed verdict for the third-party employer and also addressed the issue of prejudice in closing statements (finding that failure to object at the time of closing resulted in waiver.)
  • In Jones v. DHR Cambridge Homes, Inc., the court found that a directed verdict for the third-party defendant would be overturned, but because the consequence of the directed verdict had been to prevent the third party from presenting both liability and damages evidence, the third-party defendant would be allowed to address both at retrial.

An additional similarity and two interesting discussions involving the use of special interrogatories are contained in both opinions.

Professional Design Firms and Licensed Architects

There's certainly a difference between "registration" and "licensure"...
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We've come across quite a few architects and engineers who seem to forget that a professional design firm needs to be registered.  It's an extra step, in addition to the professional's individual licensure and registration that's required in Illinois.  But what exactly is the impact of forgetting to register?

Here's an interesting case from the Central District of Illinois, pointing out that a contract will not be voided, and a developer's claim for restitution will not stand even if a professional forgets to register the design firm.  In Brethren v. OSM (C.D. Ill. 06-3161) the court points out that even though a firm may forget to register, the work was still done by a licensed professional and as such, there is no claim. 

Now, if the professional performing the work was unlicensed, certainly the restitution claim would be able to go forward.  The only real teeth the registration law has to compel the registration of the firm comes from the statute authorizing penalties for such a failure to register, 225 ILCS 305/21.  Work by a licensed architect is still work by a licensed architect.


Registering The Copyright

©    Maintaining the copyright in a design can give an architect or engineer another tool in ensuring payment and completion of the contract.  The right to come in and take back the designs or to seek an injunction has teeth and copyright is a limited issue in most standard form contracts.  While disputes based on the licenses and the copyright terms of the contract carry meat, the A/E might consider registering their plans with the US Copyright Office prior to turning them over to other parties.

        Having the protection of the registered copyright allows for the statutory provisions of US Copyright law to be used as well as seeking the remedy under the contract and can offer the added benefit of allowing the A/E to seek to recoup statutory damages as well as legal fees.  A short primer is available from the office, and the limited fee, especially on designs that may be used multiple times can offer an added assurance that payment in full will occur.  

IS THERE A NEW RELATIONSHIP IN THE CONSENSUSDOCS?

The new ConsensusDOCS forms were published late last year and will be the subject of the ABA Construction Industry Forum's 2008 Fall Meeting.  With all the buzz we thought it would be pertinent to sit down and read these documents.  This posting is one of many expected to come regarding the new ConsensusDOCS.

            The language implying a fiduciary duty hasn't changed much over the years and is often described by the courts as a "relationship of trust and confidence" between parties.  With that definition entrenched in case law we thought it a bit peculiar that the normal contracting relationship between an architect and an owner would be particularly described as one of "trust and confidence" in ConsensusDOCS 240 section 2.2. 

In the construction setting, plaintiff's with claims have been seeking to impose a fiduciary relationship in one form or another on contractors and architects to gain more damages and a heightened standard of care for some time.  Thankfully, many courts have often struck down the concept of parties contracting for construction services as entering into a fiduciary relationship thus allowing plaintiff's to bring causes of action outside the normal breach of contract claim or based on a heightened standard of care.  (See, 262 F. Supp. 2d 1004; 812 F. Supp. 72)

With the concept of "trust and confidence" and its implication of a fiduciary relationship in mind, it's odd that the ConsensusDOCS Guidebook from October 31, 2007, would explicitly delineate that the contracting parties should not be agreeing to a heightened standard of care:

  • "Standard of Care (Section 2.1): A definition of the standard of care applicable to architectural and engineering services performed under this Agreement is not included in this Agreement (previous additions of AGC contracts did include such a definition). The drafters of the new Consensus documents determined that it would be better for the design professionals to be held to a standard imposed on them by their own profession, rather than one defined by this Agreement.
  • "Contractors and Owners should not modify this Agreement by adding language that would hold any design professional to a standard of care that is above that which is customary and normal for design professionals in the same time and location, because that might result in the unintended consequence of voiding errors and omissions coverage available to the respective design professionals."

 
But then go on to say that the A/E is accepting a relationship of trust and confidence in Section 2.1 of document 240:

 

  • "Relationship of the Parties (Section 2.2): This provision requires the Architect/Engineer (A/E) to accept the relationship of trust and confidence in exercising its skill and judgment in furthering the interests of the Owner and expressly affirms the A/E's representation that it possesses the requisite skill, expertise, and licensing to perform the required services. The new language is preferable, but it should be noted that it was not included in the previous AGC 240 Owner-Designer professional Agreement, no longer published."

       It is also a bit boggling that understanding the implication of the "trust and confidence" language, that no other provision in the document would specifically state that nothing in the contract should be construed as creating a fiduciary relationship between the parties.  Perhaps the authors just thought such a provision unnecessary given the lack of case law supporting a fiduciary relationship in such a setting.  But why then be specific as to the language of "trust and confidence" between the parties?  Why not just state that the parties agree to "good faith and fair dealing" or accept a "contractual relationship for the provision of A/E services"?  And, even if a standard of care is not affected by the language, could "trust and confidence" through its fiduciary implications mean that there are now added duties that the A/E must be aware of?

Forced to litigate in Florida?

            For those out-of-state contractors, architects, and builders working on projects in some other place for Illinois' residents, there are some interesting lessons in the Fourth District's Isringhausen v. Prime Contractors and Associates, Inc., opinion regarding keeping yourselves from being subjected to Illinois law.

            It should come as no surprise that a Florida company working on building a house in Florida that was contacted and did no business in Illinois was not subject to Illinois jurisdiction.  But, what if the Florida contractor was advertising here in Illinois, or had made a few trips to Illinois to complete the contract?  What if the escrow or some other portion of the contract were to be completed in Illinois so that the contractor, although minimally, were availing itself of Illinois law?  It would be wise to work out the full details for out-of-state construction both for owners in Illinois and contractors elsewhere, lest the parties find themselves in costly litigation hundreds or even thousands of miles away.